Are electric cars really green? An investigation of Bjorn Lomborg’s claims.



CORRECTIONS: 11:30 — Estonia’s electricity is not mostly coal-powered, it is mostly oil-shale powered. They both produce large amounts of CO2, so the point is …

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  1. People aren't reading the corrections in the video description, so I'll pin them here:
    CORRECTIONS: 11:30 — Estonia's electricity is not mostly coal-powered, it is mostly oil-shale powered. They both produce large amounts of CO2, so the point is the same. The result is that electric cars powered by the Estonian grid are much less green than in France.

    The photo of the 'lithium mine' is a diamond mine, according to National Geographic. A real lithium mine is Western Australia looks almost identical: wattelectricalnews.com/NEWS/Lithium-Mining-Delivers-BIG-for-WA,-Increased-Spodumene-Production/46120.

  2. My TESLA costs me .o6kwh – rate in PUD district & uses no coal & only natural gas as a peaker.
    Charging at home cost $1.33 per 100 miles. So less than $ 5 bucks per 300 miles.
    So I have reduced C02 from 4 tons yearly to almost 0 by going electric. Considering antifreeze, transmission, rear end differential, motor oil for ICE vehicles my Tesla once purchased no longer pollutes, needs virtually zero maintenance, and certainly no oil changes. Along with no $35 weekly fillup = $140 per month +$1600 per year. Or over 10 years +$16,000.
    Additionally,it is a fact that SOLAR with BATTERY STORAGE is 1/2 the cost of COAL electricity production. Be wary of those that point to past results without looking to what future trends are opening up. Coal is done. Natural gas power generation will be too by 2022.

    PragerUniversity, Heartland Institute is a Koch Bros. propaganda site. Fact Jack.

  3. Thank you France for nuclear then. And Sweden. No thanks to Germany.
    Otherwise, not a very honest or successful attempt to take down Lomborg. He wanted to call in question the claims that EV is the solution, which he did, and you are bickering over details.

  4. Just wonder if both the emissions from vehicles hauling fuel are factored in along with road deaths from accidents involving these vehicles, plus damage to infrastructure caused by heavy haulage and the fact that even if the power is generated by fossil fuels at least the pollutants could be controlled by the power plants rather than trying to control co2 emissions individually on millions of fossil fueled vehicles.

  5. Hi, Peter please tell the asshole who says the cars are coal cars, because they are charged from coal generated power stations, maybe, maybe not. My total apartment electricity I get from 100%wind,so if using my home power to charge an electric car then it is not coal powered. WTF is wrong with these people forever trying to recreate laws of science and blur the data, to show what? That they they are as good as electric car drivers?? And is it a crime to desire to be a responsible person and good steward of the planet earth, the only home life has? It's odd because they are the ones who would think they are better than others for [fill in the blank].
    Thanks, Peter.

  6. The abstract (show at 4:42) states "a 10% to 24% decrease in global warming potential (GWP)", is that the same as "CO2 emissions measured in metric tons" (show at 4:06)? 
    Perhaps the difference in CO2 emissions is a transparent proxy of GWP? 
    In which case we can assume that the difference in GWP will always be identical to the difference in CO2 emissions?

    It appears every gas has a GWP. Is it possible that there are some gases used to produce electric vehicles that add to the difference in GWP?

  7. a 90,000 mile lifespan is absurd, but i suppose it gives a common comparison point. i love the idea of clean transportation but it doesn't fit me. i have a 60 mile (one way) commute that is do-able for some EVs, not others. if i want to visit my sister, that's 350 miles, 600 to my brother. that turns an hours long trip into a days long trip. yeah, if i lived in a city center with no long distance needs i'd go electric. but i don't. and i suspect a lot of people in areas like the western US are in a similair situation as me.
    great video, though. really appreciated your dissection of that disingenuous hype masquerading as science.

  8. also note that since electric cars are a newish technology, we can expect improvements to the process of building them
    likewise, just because the US still subsidises coal doesn't mean they can't change their minds and move to cleaner fuels in future

  9. i just want to remind any Crowder fan that dares spew their bs without even listening to what Potholer has to say in a20minute video, that it was Crowder the one who chickned out of a debate with Potholer. You think that you have "the facts" on your side? debate him! debunk him! disprove the data that he shows in his videos!

  10. The real question is: Who is paying Lomborg? Follow the money to its source and many mysteries — e.g., why does such an august publication as the Wall Street Journal publish his propaganda? — will cease to be mysteries.

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